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Regenerative Agriculture Podcast

Jun 29, 2018

Dr. Jerry Pollack is a pioneering water researcher whose work in structured water and cell biology has been described as being some of the most important research that will be conducted in the 21st century. His research creates a completely new paradigm of cell biology and nutrient absorption. He is recognized worldwide as a dynamic speaker and author, whose passion lies in plumbing the depths of natural truths.

Dr. Pollack received the 1st Emoto Peace Prize and is a recipient of the University of Washington's highest honor, the Annual Faculty Lecturer Award. He is founding Editor-in-Chief of the research journal WATER and Director of the Institute for Venture Science. Dr. Pollack's (award-winning) books include The Fourth Phase of Water (2013), and Cells, Gels, and the Engines of Life (2001). Dr. Jerry Pollack maintains an active laboratory at the University of Washington in Seattle.

In this episode, Jerry and I discuss

  • How water moves to the top of a 100-yard tall redwood
  • How nutrients are absorbed across cell membranes and plant roots
  • The role of EZ water in moving nutrients through vascular tissue
  • How plant roots can absorb complete compounds from the soil solution


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Cells, Gels and the Engines of Life

The Fourth Phase of Water: Beyond Solid, Liquid, and Vapor


Episode 15 - Dr. Gerald H. Pollack - Highlights

4:50 - What is exclusion zone water? (EZ Water)


  • We all learned water had 3 phases, but the idea that water could have a phase between liquid and solid has been around for some time
  • EZ water is between solid and liquid. Gel-like, almost like raw egg whites
  • EZ water has a negative charge, unlike ordinary water
  • Energy comes from infrared light
  • EZ water is also called fourth phase water, ordered water, or structured water


13:10 - John strongly recommends reading two of Gerald’s books:





13:40 - How are nutrients and water transported inside a plant? How are nutrients absorbed by root systems? How does EZ water relate?


  • How a tube in water that allows water to continuously flow works in the same way that trees can transport water
  • Energy is coming from light absorbed in the water will drive the flow of water
  • How this same idea can apply to the cardiovascular system in the human body


27:45 - How is this related to nutrient mobility?


31:35 - Alternate mechanisms for nutrient absorption by cells


  • The assumption that the cell membrane is impermeable is questionable
  • Why the idea of thousands of pumps and channels in the membrane doesn’t work
  • The cell gets its electrical potential from the negatively charged water
  • If there is no impermeable barrier, then substances can be absorbed by the cell


42:40 - Simplicity is the essence of science


45:50 - What is the limitation of what cells can absorb?


  • Substances could move in and out of the cell in transition areas of water to EZ water


49:25 - Water crisis in agricultural - soils that cannot hold water well anymore


  • Soils need charge distributions just right to build EZ water
  • Water holding capacity is diminished when the soil is destroyed, directly related to the ability to make EZ water


54:30 - What is the question Gerald wishes he was asked?


  • The role of water in health - absolutely central. Cells cannot function properly unless properly hydrated
  • The role of grounding in health and in its ability to convert water to EZ water
  • Juicing to get EZ water from inside plants



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